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    Server feature, linux vs windows, your opinion ?

    • Edwin
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      • 6. September 2016 um 19:52
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      Good morning, my German community !

      Today I have no problem to be proposed to you but I wish to have your opinion.

      I am going to make as usual simple :
      - What are the characteristics of a dedicated server whichwho are the most important for an Arma server (CPU - RAM - SSD ..) ?


      ADD QUESTION : "What do you think of Linux for the Arma server ?"

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:01
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      High core speed, intel, thats it. Fast Quad Cores seem to perform really good, Intel Six/Octacores can be somewhat better.

      A fast SSD will only help you with loading speed/improve your database speed, ram can improve some parts but will only change much if you store the whole server (or db) in a ramdisk.

      Depending on the amount of players you should atleast have a 100Mbit connection, 1gbit would be even better.

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:11
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      Intel i7 4790K
      4 cores/ 8 threads
      4 GHz+
      16 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
      120 GB SSD - Samsung EVO 840
      1 Gbps
      250 Mbps
      Unlimited
      1
      /64


      It's good ?

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:14
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      Most important (in order of appearence) are definitely CPU - RAM - Hard Drive - Graphics Card (Server and Client). Why? Arma 3 is a very CPU based game, no question. Moreover the RAM is also needed, especially for caching and all those stuff blah... Also very much textures (= pictures in this case) and faces (... or simply said: many models) are loaded in a short time - so a good SSD is definitely better than an old HDD and an important fact not to forget (good SSDs start at ~60€ and have anough space for Arma 3 + some Mods). The Graphics Card is.... yeah... kind of unnecessary. Why? Arma 3 has as much graphic calculations than Photoshop. Why? In Photoshop you actually draw lines etc which have to be calculated (mostly by CPU there as well, but nevertheless...) - Textures in Arma 3 are just pictures, the engine put on a model and tells you it has painted it. It didn't. That's simply why you can play Arma 3 even without graphic card...

      Hope I could help you understand this logic a bit :)


      Good Setup for server is definitely:

      • Intel processor with high frequency (4x 3.0+ / 6x 2.4+ is good to have an orientation)
      • 8+ GB of RAM DDR4 (only if possible. if not: use DDR3. I would tend to say not less than 8, thats not useful...)
      • 512 Mbps down/128Mbps up (more is better. I would recommend 1Gbps and check for traffix limitations!)
      • x64 based CPU & Operating System
      • Windows. Don't do Linux. I DARE YOU BRO! Don't joke with Arma 3 and Linux... ^^
      • If possible: 120GB SSD and 120GB+ HDD. So you can store your data you dont need on SSD on the HDD

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:18
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      Arma 3 without a beafy gpu ?

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:21
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      @Edwin That server configuration is pretty good, you shouldnt run into trouble hosting a well scripted Life Mission with some mods at 60-80 Players on that.

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:26
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      The server will be without mod and he will be under Linux.

      What do you think of Linux for the Arma server ?

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:28
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      Zitat von Edwin

      ProcessorCores/ThreadsFrequencyRAMDisksCarte réseauBandwidthTrafficIPv4IPv6

      Intel i7 4790K
      4 cores/ 8 threads
      4 GHz+
      16 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
      120 GB SSD - Samsung EVO 840
      1 Gbps
      250 Mbps
      Unlimited
      1
      /64

      It's good ?


      Yeah.... Well... For a PC is it not bad, but a server? Someone tricked you. Never rent a server with a Desktop CPU. XEON processors were developed on purpose, because they can perform better on servers even with less frequency, because they lack the graphic unit, wich restricts the Desktop CPUs in their effectiveness on servers a lot. 120GB of SSD is fine, but for me it would be full in no time xD everything else is OK, 16 GB DDR3 is enough as well as the conection

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:32
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      Zitat von Greeny

      Arma 3 without a beafy gpu ?

      You don't need a GPU... I tested it for fun: unplugged my GTX 960 and just used my integrated HD graphic (actually not sure if the one from the CPU or the motherboard, but that's not important...). I was kinda surprised when I realized, that was only a lack of FPS that is not really noticeable - like 5FPS and they could have been caused by other factors as well. So: Arma 3 doesn't really need GPU.
      BUT: If you don't use a GPU, you will need more RAM for caching the textures etc

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:34
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      Okay okay, what are you actually talking about, have you set up arma 3 servers and tested Xeon CPU and Desktop CPUs ?

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:36
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      On what kind of settings did you test that ?

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:37
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      Xeons are simply i7 CPUs, using the same architecture just without the onboard gpu

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:41
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      I tested on i7 as well (on a friends server) and for me it did not reach the same CPS with same configs etc, but it's actually not that bad and definitely ok, sorry if it sounded like it's a no-go ^^

      tested on Custom Settings (Very High-Ultra, just my normal Setup) on Arma 3 1.54

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:44
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      "tested" Tell me more about that test, you used the Server in a production environment, with real players, mods and a heavy mission ?

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      • 6. September 2016 um 20:49
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      heavy mission under load of ~20 players, same settings and normal gameplay. i7 had more instabilities in CPS compared to XEON, and most hosters don't even use i7 for their solutions btw...

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      • 6. September 2016 um 21:00
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      And for linux, It's really a bad idea?

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      • 6. September 2016 um 21:02
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      Definitely. Unstable, hard to manage the server (you can't set startup parameters directly), no BEC or alternatives and it's lacking the user interface, which can be very helpful

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      • 6. September 2016 um 21:03
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      Dont go for Arma 3 with Linux. Linux and Arma 3 dont like each other. Go for a Windows Server.

      I Prefer this Setup for an Arma 3 Server:

      Core I7 with 4+ GHz
      32GB Ram (Arma 3 only can Handle maximum 4GB but you can use a Ramdisk for Database)
      2 x 128 GB SSD in Raid 1 (One SSD can Crash and you have all youre Data Save)
      1Gbit/s

      With best regards from Germany. Sorry for my Bad Englisch ^^

      Rechtschreibfehler sind zur Belustigung des Lesers hinterlassen worden und können nicht auf die Inkompetenz des Verfassers zurück gewiesen werden :saint:

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      • 6. September 2016 um 21:04
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      We are running a i7 5820k (4.2ghz), 128 gb ram, with 80 players, a huge modpack and heavy mission, we see no "instabilities" in cps

      Einer von diesen Arma 3 Servern. https://panthor.de/

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